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recreating eden

bluecharm
bluecharm

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when the wolves become a bother ..what then..bring in grizzley bears to kill them off?
Roman
Roman

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I wonder who the animals would like to invite to get rid of us???

Gordie
Gordie

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First, the wolf is a native species, they have more of a right to be there then we do. Bringing back the wolf, would be fixing a mistake made by us humans over the years.

The animals are not the problem, the humans are.

Michael Rose
Michael Rose

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It's not so simple. The Newfoundland wolf was smaller than wolves from the mainland that would be re-introduced, what a larger wolf would do in the ecosystem may be questionable. In addition, re-introducing wolves to Newfoundland with it's main prey source moose in abundance (a non-native prey source) may result in a wolf population that could be very healthy. If this potentially healthy wolf population then preys on caribou (a secondary prey source), the already declining native caribou population could become more thereatened.

Then again, successfully introducing wolves, could keep the moose and coyote populations in check! Studies have shown that wolves are quite good at controlling both of these populations. This would help problems with moose vehicle accidents, and help stop the changes forest succession structures caused by moose overbrowsing.

Anyway, my point is re-introducing animals to the island of Newfoundland  is complex, and no one can truly predict what the outcome would be.

 

Randy Skinner
Randy Skinner

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Of course, you have to factor in the anthropegenic aspect of 'recreating eden'.

What is eden?  Define pristine?  Define untouched?

If, we can clearly define these concepts (legally, of course, because governments only favour non-legal terminology when it favours their own agendas), then you can determine the role, if any, wolves could potentially play in this province.

Personally, I believe the Island of Newfondland has been without a main order predator (except the black bear) for a century now, and the residents have gotten used to the idea that they are 'top dog'.

The coyote issue is similar to look at:  many residents believe in  that this a giant government conspiracy to undermine hunting rights in the province. 

Believe it or not, the resentment and political backlash of a naturally immigrated species has caused such an uproar, imagine the mental and psychological effect of actually, consciously introducing, what most people consider, a more robust, socially intelligent predator.

Randy Skinner
Randy Skinner

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 Also, one has to consider the side effect....

In an ideal world, we would like to see the wolf introduced on the island, it establish itself as a healthy, front line predator, keep moose numbers in check where people are concerned, and foresters wring their hands in dismay of damaged timber values, and voila!  Case closed.

Of course, we have to assume that (1)  wolves will keep moose in check and (2) Moose will be the primary food source for the wolves becuase they are more plentiful.

Issue 1 may never occur, as moose populations in certain areas of the province may be kept in check, because wolves may predominate a relatively non-anthropegenic environment such as the Northern Peninsula, or the southwest coast of the island, where communities are relatively few or access to the interior is limited.

But what about a region such as the avalon?  Could a viable wolf popluation live there?  Also, would moose be crowded into less desireable regions where wolves keep away from (i.e. near populated regions).  A million questions could arise from issue 1.

Now, for issue 2, the real pandora's box opens up.  We assume that 2 main food sources would be either moose or caribou.   We would like to assume that because of sheer numbers, moose would be the preferred prey.

But what if caribou are easier to catch?  On a purely statistical inspection, whatever is the easiest to forage will probably become the primary food source.  Foraging not only includes population density, but prey population dispersal and convergence, lifestyle patterns, and breeding patterns, to name a few.  If caribou become the top priority (move in herds for part of the year, migration patterns, crowding, define calving grounds, etc.), then we may put more pressure on a species that is already under pressure.

Look at the red squirrel.  Since it's introduction to the province, there has been speculation that is out-competing local bird species that forage black spruce seeds ( e.g. Newfoundland Red Crossbill).  There have been several papers published over the years to discuss such ramifications, but of course, that may more of a philosophical query at the moment (other aspects, such as forest extraction may be also or the primary culprit).

No one foresaw such intraspecific competition when the squirrel was introduced.

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